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The new one, as it exists right now, looks pretty horrid too. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear this story from the supposedly socialist China.
And I don’t think some loon suggesting this means much. Anyone can suggest anything. This made news because of how horrible the suggestion was and how outraged people got over it.
utopia
Right. But in the meanwhile…
Well it’s not like socialist countries don’t need growth to achieve their goals and that growth needs new workers
Girlfriend does this all the time. Drives me nuts since it’s not just one chair, it’s chairs I actually want to use.
Some of the stuff here is pretty normal tbh. But it might be worse for adhd people or something
I was talking about how certain jobs or fields are moving to immigrant labour and that means people are losing their jobs. I was confused about what I thought your claim was.
Working fields on a farm doesn’t sound like a new job people didn’t do before. But one reason these jobs aren’t being done anymore is because the capitalists don’t have to pay a decent wage or give decent working conditions because of immigration. It means job losses but also means exploitation of the immigrants to do the “shit jobs” which isn’t great either.
I’m not sure the jobs we’re talking about are ones that were created or exist because of immigrantion. For example, you said Americans don’t want to do certain jobs. I’d want to hear what jobs you meant by that, which jobs are those
Who did those jobs before?
I edit my comments because I press send before finishing my comment. Bad habit I know.
It’s partly the Texans fault. Outsourcing is another pickle but it is more active on the job takers part if they had come to California and then taken the job. Outsourcing, it’s more passive and harder to do anything about.
Being malicious and being at fault are two different things. You’re conflating them.
Capitalists are looking to push wages down, weaken unions and using immigration to do that. So if you’re sacked because of that, you are pretty justified in feeling the capitalists doing it and the tool they’re using has wronged you.
Malicious would mean immigrants are doing it with the inention to cause harm. I don’t think even the capitalists are in it to be malicious, they’re just (and only) thinking of prorits.
If someone is sacked in order to get you hired for the job of course you’re partly at fault. Sucks even more if you’re helping in pushing the wages down. If I was part of that problem then yeah I’d be at fault but neither is true in my case.
I think the economic and labour concerns are real and valid. Nobody wants to lose their job.
I mean first of all I’m not American. But understanding people’s concerns doesn’t mean you agree with them or definitely that you share them 100%. It’s not so black and white.
I mean it’s both, the corporation pushing for profits and the actual person you lost your job to. It’s not like I was saying the immigrant was malicious in their actions or anything.
Uhm, where do you think I am from and why
I never understand this stubborn ignorance of any and all economic and labour concerns. Do some people think even considering them is some validation of the racist stuff?
Often the quality suffers but they don’t really care about that.
It’s just that there’s doubts if we’ll ever get closer to that socialist utopia than what we’ve seen so far. I hope we do but so far it hasn’t gone well