Its good. Its how I’m in Canada. Auto companies in 70s didn’t have enough skilled machinery repair and retool workers so they reached out to recruit from the UK and Europe. So my parents came over with us kids.
My coworker was an immigrant and got his citizenship and now votes against immigration… So go figure.
Most people are in favor, a minority aren’t. Population inversion should scare people more than it does, but right now the current dominant fear for people is housing costs, which immigration rates are being (very incorrectly) blamed for.
If you ask the average person, they probably would reply “immigration is fine as long as we can provide for everyone”. The average left-leaning person would be more likely to drop the conditional, and the average right leaning person would say “verb the noun” and ask why we’re letting immigrants take out 300k loans from banks and then leave the country with the cash[1].
It’s a mixed bag, as with anywhere.
[1] this is not happening in any meaningful capacity and most immigrants can’t secure any credit at all without collateral, but this is nonetheless a very real conversation I’ve had with a post-secondary educated semi-friend who really should know better
What type of immigration are we talking about? A small amount from a diverse set of countries to enrich Canada with culture, new ideas and talent; or the type of mass immigration we’ve seen over the last 3 years that drives down wages, increases rents, and encourages cpmpanies to enrich themselves by taking advantage of them, that got so bad Canada got called out by the UN for modern day slavery?
I’m vehemently against TFW programs and the kind of immigration you mentioned.
We have a lot of skilled, educated people here. If you have the audacity to claim a labour shortage and not acknowledge that prices increase supply, then get fucked.
In fact, hiring immigrants for lower wages than domestic labour should be the sign that what’s being done is illegal and against the interest of the people of Canada.
The fact that Tim god-damn Hortons had TFWs is disgusting.
To be clear, I don’t have an issue with immigrants, or skilled workers filling jobs. I have an issue with claiming labour shortages to cut wages. Or using immigration to cut wages in the aggregate.
I hate the short-sightedness we have by allowing this type of shit in the country. We do the immigrants no good because we’re paying them shit wages in a country with an HCOL. These jobs can be also be done by the youth and others which we’re stealing from them as well. All because these our coffee shops NEED to pay these execs big money. It’s disgusting.
I’m immigration positive. I think we grow as a country and culture by inviting in other cultures.
I would like to see us do more for those seeking asylum.
I think we should try and scalp as many doctors as we can with tax breaks and other things.
I’m fine with people seeking to come to Canada for University because that helps our education system.
I would like to see more protections for those coming to Canada and basically being slave labour for those that brought them in. This is a huge problem in the South Asian community and I’ve known several people brought in and forced to work fucked up hours for almost zero pay under the threat of being fired and having a visa revoked. The scum doing this are usually from the same home country on permanent residence status. If discovered, these people need to have PR revoked and kicked out of the country. Luckily we were able to find these people new honest jobs but they refused to report the previous agents and employers for fear they could still retaliate.
It’s good to a point. You have to have the social supports to maintain a minimum standard. Letting too many people in at once and suddenly nobody has houses or doctors is not a good outcome for new or established Canadians.
Also reminder that voluntary immigration and temporarily accepting persecuted people for humanitarian reasons are different things.
Sure. That’s why we have a system that fast-tracks professions in need over those without those qualifications.
We opened the gates in COVID because businesses convinced gov’t that there was a worker shortage (e.g “nobody wants to work for as cheap as we want to pay them”) in unskilled categories like hospitality, and because our student visa requirements are so lax that they effectively allow full-time employment instead of going to school. IMO these are two areas that need policy reform.
We also have valuable people who have immigrated returning to their expatriate countries because the path to citizenship promised is taking years or decades longer than they were promised. That’s just as unacceptable to me and we have to do better to retain doctors, engineers, and other professionals from whom we could mutually benefit.
Population growth masks underlying late stage capitalism problems. If we’re relying on continuously growing to cover bad short-term policy, then we should rethink that.
Student visas should be an encouraged pathway for immigration.
Give me your young, your ambitious,
Your huddled masses yearning to study and create,
The frustrated youth of your teeming shore.
Send these, the ones willing to learn how to be Canadian scientists, doctors, scholars and artists,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
How how do you all feel about immigration?
Its good. Its how I’m in Canada. Auto companies in 70s didn’t have enough skilled machinery repair and retool workers so they reached out to recruit from the UK and Europe. So my parents came over with us kids.
My coworker was an immigrant and got his citizenship and now votes against immigration… So go figure.
People have mixed opinions.
lol that last part is funny. I’ll never understand why people vote against things they took advantage of.
Simple, selfish: “Fuck YOU! Got mine, bitch!”
Most people are in favor, a minority aren’t. Population inversion should scare people more than it does, but right now the current dominant fear for people is housing costs, which immigration rates are being (very incorrectly) blamed for.
If you ask the average person, they probably would reply “immigration is fine as long as we can provide for everyone”. The average left-leaning person would be more likely to drop the conditional, and the average right leaning person would say “verb the noun” and ask why we’re letting immigrants take out 300k loans from banks and then leave the country with the cash[1].
It’s a mixed bag, as with anywhere.
[1] this is not happening in any meaningful capacity and most immigrants can’t secure any credit at all without collateral, but this is nonetheless a very real conversation I’ve had with a post-secondary educated semi-friend who really should know better
What type of immigration are we talking about? A small amount from a diverse set of countries to enrich Canada with culture, new ideas and talent; or the type of mass immigration we’ve seen over the last 3 years that drives down wages, increases rents, and encourages cpmpanies to enrich themselves by taking advantage of them, that got so bad Canada got called out by the UN for modern day slavery?
I’m vehemently against TFW programs and the kind of immigration you mentioned.
We have a lot of skilled, educated people here. If you have the audacity to claim a labour shortage and not acknowledge that prices increase supply, then get fucked.
In fact, hiring immigrants for lower wages than domestic labour should be the sign that what’s being done is illegal and against the interest of the people of Canada.
The fact that Tim god-damn Hortons had TFWs is disgusting.
To be clear, I don’t have an issue with immigrants, or skilled workers filling jobs. I have an issue with claiming labour shortages to cut wages. Or using immigration to cut wages in the aggregate.
I hate the short-sightedness we have by allowing this type of shit in the country. We do the immigrants no good because we’re paying them shit wages in a country with an HCOL. These jobs can be also be done by the youth and others which we’re stealing from them as well. All because these our coffee shops NEED to pay these execs big money. It’s disgusting.
Be careful where you say this, you’ll get labelled as a racist hateful far right-winged bot if you say this on Reddit.
I’m immigration positive. I think we grow as a country and culture by inviting in other cultures.
I would like to see us do more for those seeking asylum.
I think we should try and scalp as many doctors as we can with tax breaks and other things.
I’m fine with people seeking to come to Canada for University because that helps our education system.
I would like to see more protections for those coming to Canada and basically being slave labour for those that brought them in. This is a huge problem in the South Asian community and I’ve known several people brought in and forced to work fucked up hours for almost zero pay under the threat of being fired and having a visa revoked. The scum doing this are usually from the same home country on permanent residence status. If discovered, these people need to have PR revoked and kicked out of the country. Luckily we were able to find these people new honest jobs but they refused to report the previous agents and employers for fear they could still retaliate.
It’s good to a point. You have to have the social supports to maintain a minimum standard. Letting too many people in at once and suddenly nobody has houses or doctors is not a good outcome for new or established Canadians.
Also reminder that voluntary immigration and temporarily accepting persecuted people for humanitarian reasons are different things.
What about immigrants who are skilled, like nurses and doctors?
Sure. That’s why we have a system that fast-tracks professions in need over those without those qualifications.
We opened the gates in COVID because businesses convinced gov’t that there was a worker shortage (e.g “nobody wants to work for as cheap as we want to pay them”) in unskilled categories like hospitality, and because our student visa requirements are so lax that they effectively allow full-time employment instead of going to school. IMO these are two areas that need policy reform.
We also have valuable people who have immigrated returning to their expatriate countries because the path to citizenship promised is taking years or decades longer than they were promised. That’s just as unacceptable to me and we have to do better to retain doctors, engineers, and other professionals from whom we could mutually benefit.
Population growth masks underlying late stage capitalism problems. If we’re relying on continuously growing to cover bad short-term policy, then we should rethink that.
What bad short term policy other than you dislike capitalism?
Student visas should be an encouraged pathway for immigration.
Give me your young, your ambitious,
Your huddled masses yearning to study and create,
The frustrated youth of your teeming shore.
Send these, the ones willing to learn how to be Canadian scientists, doctors, scholars and artists,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!