• rainwall@piefed.social
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    This is partly “american exceptionalism” at play too. Our cultural identity worships the individual maverick while hating a cohesive group.

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    Almost as if the widely accepted public views were both pushed by the monarchy. (Support “our” guy, there is freedom in servitude. Fight their guy, there is servitude in freedom.)

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    that and an interpretation of christianity exists that, compared to the overton windows of various epochs, is decidedly revolutionary and abolitionist.

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    you know I watched this show and now I don’t even remember what this scene was about anymore. the meme is all that remains.

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      It’s been quite a few years, but I think she had been stuck in the past and made a life for herself with another woman and her child, and then she sees 5 rolling through town. I don’t remember what he was up to.

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    I don’t think I have ever heard anybody claim that the Illuminati was democratic or secular. In fact my grandpa was convinced of the opposite in a rather bigoted way.

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      The meme is saying that the actual Illuminati were secular and democratic, but are seen in the modern day as a shadowy, oppressive cabal

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        Fun fact, the downfall of the Illuminati was when one of their couriers carrying banned books and letters on democracy and such was struck by lightning and killed.

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              In his work of over seven hundred pages, Le Forestier gives an account of his exploration of German archives, where almost everything was preserved with Teutonic precision. When a member of the Illuminati of Bavaria, the Catholic priest Johann Jakob Lang (according to another spelling “Lanz,” 1735–1785), died struck by lightning on July 10, 1785, the police drew up,  and archivists preserved, even an exact inventory of what was in his pockets. So fastidious was Le Forestier’s work that later historians have been able to add only a few details, although they have not always accepted his interpretations.

              I think it’s using him as an example of how and why we know so much about them, not necessarily their downfall. But it is interesting!

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        I had no idea the Illuminati were a real group. I thought they were just some abstract boogeymen. Shows how ignorant I am. :(

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          Google the Bavarian Illuminati and enjoy the rabbit hole. They were mostly a bunch of nerds frustrated with the free masons and just wanted to trade books that were banned by the church.

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      It was a secret society with a bunch of magical rituals to trick people into learning about democracy, because it being illegal wasn’t enough to make people interested